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Civ 5 demo
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><(((°>
2010-09-22 17:04:20 UTC
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Now available to download and play on Steam - 100 turns only though :(
><(((°>
2010-09-22 22:36:05 UTC
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Now available to download and play on Steam - 100 turns only though :(=
Well, having now played a few demo games I thought I'd comment on my 1st=
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impressions.
Very disappointed to say that it's far from the game I'd hoped for.

Likes:
As most people are probably aware, the square tile system has gone and i=
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replaced with hexagons.
This is a definite improvement and movement is more linear whether going=
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diagonally or north/south/east/west across the map.

Combat & military:
No stacks of doom - 1 military unit per tile only, ranged attack from =

ranged units.
Accurate predictions of battle outcome - none of this crap where it =

predicts you've a 98% chance and you often loose.
OK combat animations.

Unexplored areas - graphics now show it as covered with cloud - better =

looking than just black areas.

Dislikes:

The whole graphical interface and game play feel made me think I was =

playing a game designed for children of 8 years and up.
Everything seems vastly simplified - it certainly doesn't seem to requir=
e =

much strategic thinking.
You just make the often obvious choice from the pop up options that arri=
ve =

when something has finished doing what it was last doing.

The tech. tree, although similar to Civ 4 is much simplified with less t=
o =

choose from.

Compulsory Steam account / internet connection to register your game and=
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update it.

Anyway, I strongly suggest you try the demo before you buy.

Manual in PDF (233 pages and about 25Mb) can be downloaded from here:
http://www.2kgames.com/manual/civ5/

Anyone else tried it yet?
What were your impressions?
redvet
2010-09-23 01:56:46 UTC
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Post by ><(((°>
Post by ><(((°>
Now available to download and play on Steam - 100 turns only though :(
Well, having now played a few demo games I thought I'd comment on my 1st
impressions.
Very disappointed to say that it's far from the game I'd hoped for.
As most people are probably aware, the square tile system has gone and is
replaced with hexagons.
This is a definite improvement and movement is more linear whether going
diagonally or north/south/east/west across the map.
No stacks of doom - 1 military unit per tile only, ranged attack from
ranged units.
Accurate predictions of battle outcome - none of this crap where it
predicts you've a 98% chance and you often loose.
OK combat animations.
Unexplored areas - graphics now show it as covered with cloud - better
looking than just black areas.
The whole graphical interface and game play feel made me think I was
playing a game designed for children of 8 years and up.
Everything seems vastly simplified - it certainly doesn't seem to require
much strategic thinking.
You just make the often obvious choice from the pop up options that arrive
when something has finished doing what it was last doing.
The tech. tree, although similar to Civ 4 is much simplified with less to
choose from.
Compulsory Steam account / internet connection to register your game and
update it.
Anyway, I strongly suggest you try the demo before you buy.
http://www.2kgames.com/manual/civ5/
Anyone else tried it yet?
What were your impressions?
Well....Feel free to explain what did wrong....

I start the install and it took me to Steam, where I have an account.
I load in the key an then Steam told me I wasn't connected. I knew
that was bogus as that's where I play Supreme Commander online. Press
various buttons, re-start Steam; appearently Steam wanted to down load
patches.

Back to the beginning and re-load my key. Steam now tells me it will
take ,oh, two hours and change before my civ5 is ready to play (
that's with a dedicated DSL line).

Did I miss a dialogue box for loading outside of Steam? I don't
remember seeing anything other than the game taking me to Steam site.
Does this mean the game is loaded at the Steam site but not on my
computer? What about folks who for various reasons aren't hooked up to
the internet? Ah, there in the back of the box, at the very bottom, in
the finest, smallest print, "Intial installation requires one-time
internet connection for Steam authentication" Well, crap...I should
have done this tonight before I went to bed and I could be in WOW's
Warsong Gulch or Aterac Valley rather than have to wait 2 plus hours
for the damn game to load. - redvet, who should learn to read the
really fine print.
><(((°>
2010-09-23 09:39:23 UTC
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Post by redvet
Now available to download and play on Steam - 100 turns only though =
:(
Post by redvet
Well, having now played a few demo games I thought I'd comment on my =
1st
Post by redvet
impressions.
Very disappointed to say that it's far from the game I'd hoped for.
As most people are probably aware, the square tile system has gone an=
d =
Post by redvet
is
replaced with hexagons.
This is a definite improvement and movement is more linear whether go=
ing
Post by redvet
diagonally or north/south/east/west across the map.
No stacks of doom - 1 military unit per tile only, ranged attack from=
ranged units.
Accurate predictions of battle outcome - none of this crap where it
predicts you've a 98% chance and you often loose.
OK combat animations.
Unexplored areas - graphics now show it as covered with cloud - bette=
r
Post by redvet
looking than just black areas.
The whole graphical interface and game play feel made me think I was
playing a game designed for children of 8 years and up.
Everything seems vastly simplified - it certainly doesn't seem to =
require
much strategic thinking.
You just make the often obvious choice from the pop up options that =
arrive
when something has finished doing what it was last doing.
The tech. tree, although similar to Civ 4 is much simplified with les=
s =
Post by redvet
to
choose from.
Compulsory Steam account / internet connection to register your game =
and
Post by redvet
update it.
Anyway, I strongly suggest you try the demo before you buy.
Manual in PDF (233 pages and about 25Mb) can be downloaded from here:=
http://www.2kgames.com/manual/civ5/
Anyone else tried it yet?
What were your impressions?
Well....Feel free to explain what did wrong....
I start the install and it took me to Steam, where I have an account.
I load in the key an then Steam told me I wasn't connected. I knew
that was bogus as that's where I play Supreme Commander online. Press
various buttons, re-start Steam; appearently Steam wanted to down load=
patches.
Back to the beginning and re-load my key. Steam now tells me it will
take ,oh, two hours and change before my civ5 is ready to play (
that's with a dedicated DSL line).
Did I miss a dialogue box for loading outside of Steam? I don't
remember seeing anything other than the game taking me to Steam site.
Does this mean the game is loaded at the Steam site but not on my
computer? What about folks who for various reasons aren't hooked up to=
the internet? Ah, there in the back of the box, at the very bottom, in=
the finest, smallest print, "Intial installation requires one-time
internet connection for Steam authentication" Well, crap...I should
have done this tonight before I went to bed and I could be in WOW's
Warsong Gulch or Aterac Valley rather than have to wait 2 plus hours
for the damn game to load. - redvet, who should learn to read the
really fine print.
Gee. you had some bad luck there.

Two ways to get the game:
Online via Steam
or buy boxed package with install DVD which requires a one time activati=
on =

with Steam.
redvet
2010-09-23 11:02:15 UTC
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Post by redvet
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What were your impressions?
Well....Feel free to explain what did wrong....
I start the install and it took me to Steam, where I have an account.
I load in the key an then Steam told me I wasn't connected. I knew
that was bogus as that's where I play Supreme Commander online. Press
various buttons, re-start Steam; appearently Steam wanted to down load
patches.
Back to the beginning and re-load my key. Steam now tells me it will
take ,oh, two hours and change before my civ5 is ready to play (
that's with a dedicated DSL line).
Did I miss a dialogue box for loading outside of Steam? I don't
remember seeing anything other than the game taking me to Steam site.
Does this mean the game is loaded at the Steam site but not on my
computer? What about folks who for various reasons aren't hooked up to
the internet? Ah, there in the back of the box, at the very bottom, in
the finest, smallest print, "Intial installation requires one-time
internet connection for Steam authentication" Well, crap...I should
have done this tonight before I went to bed and I could be in WOW's
Warsong Gulch or Aterac Valley rather than have to wait 2 plus hours
for the damn game to load. - redvet, who should learn to read the
really fine print.
Gee. you had some bad luck there.
Online via Steam
or buy boxed package with install DVD which requires a one time activation
with Steam.
Yes, well I did load off the CD. With the exception of XP pro as my
operating system, I greatly exceed the "recommended system
requirements' and I've discovered several things.

My keyboard is a logitech g15 and one of its more interesting features
is a performance monitor which will tell you the CPU usage (My chip
set is a Intell core 2 extreme qx6850 3.0ghz) and my percentage of ram
usage (6 each of the corsair cm2x1024-8500c5d and that doesn't include
the vram on the 2 NVIDIA GeForce 6TX285 boards).

When I was playing CIV 4 I noticed that the crashes occurred when I
approached 95% of the ram capacity (CPU usage didn't seem to be a
factor). This occurred when I played 3 computer players, 'raging'
barbarians with the video cranked up. I also played CIV 4 way past
'one more turn', usually in the 3,000 + range. I discovered I could do
this if I saved the game and exited to desktop as I approached 94%.
When I reloaded the game it caused my ram usage to drop back to
high50's and would then climb back up from there...in about an hour
and 20 minutes.

So far I'm slowly 'dumbing down' the video but even then, the game
starts in the high 80's. After two hours of play - saving, exiting
and re-loading - the percentage now starts in the low 90's. It appears
to be crashing as the ram memory approaches 95%. I've had several
decipherable crashes. The dialogue box tells me the technical
information which is too technical for me to understand and each is
different. This last time it was a freeze and I had to three finger
salute out...

Steam has a couple options for defraging the game files and the cache.
I done that with no effect.

I'll continue to dumb down the video, but it does remind me of the
problems many of us had with CIV4 when it first came out and was
corrected by several subsequent patches. - redvet
Bob Terwilliger
2010-10-01 04:45:43 UTC
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Online via Steam
or buy boxed package with install DVD which requires a one time activation
with Steam.
So if I want to play the game on a computer which can't be attached to the
Internet I am completely screwed?

Bob
><(((°>
2010-10-01 17:27:53 UTC
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Post by ><(((°>
Online via Steam
or buy boxed package with install DVD which requires a one time =
activation
with Steam.
So if I want to play the game on a computer which can't be attached to=
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the
Internet I am completely screwed?
Bob
Legally yes, as you can't activate the official Civ 5 game without a =

connection to, and an account with Steam.
However, there are now pirate & fully cracked versions about - eg Civ 5 =
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Skidrow.
redvet
2010-10-02 02:47:03 UTC
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On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:45:43 -0700, "Bob Terwilliger"
Post by Bob Terwilliger
Post by ><(((°>
Online via Steam
or buy boxed package with install DVD which requires a one time activation
with Steam.
So if I want to play the game on a computer which can't be attached to the
Internet I am completely screwed?
Bob
Indeed Bob that is case. However there are other problems with the
game that would preclude purchasing it at this time. The biggest one
is its use of your computers resources. Even if you have 4 sticks of
ram and 2 NIVIDA graphics cards as well as a 3.0 chipset, and you run
the game at the default setting...it is not happy and chokes up. -
redvet, who is currently muchly upgrading his system to play this game
albert hall
2010-09-23 10:13:57 UTC
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Well, having now played a few demo games I thought I'd comment on my 1st
impressions.
I've played one demo game. I was Darius of Persia on a continent with
Elizabeth of England. Not enough time to find out who else was around.
Post by ><(((°>
As most people are probably aware, the square tile system has gone and is
replaced with hexagons.
This is a definite improvement and movement is more linear whether going
diagonally or north/south/east/west across the map.
Infantry units now get a base move of 2, which speeds up exploration and
makes moving armies less of a slog. Scouts can pass through forests and
rough terrain with no movement penalty -- they are tougher than Civ 4
scouts and can fight if necessary, with a nice early promotiion to
increase field of vision by one hex.
Post by ><(((°>
No stacks of doom - 1 military unit per tile only, ranged attack from
ranged units.
I've only got to fight barbs so far but I love the ranged combat. I get
my archers to soften them up from two hexes away then send in the
infantry before they can retaliate. If the military AI is any good, I
can see the battles becoming very tactical and chess-like. The combat
system is transformed for the better IMO.
Post by ><(((°>
Accurate predictions of battle outcome - none of this crap where it
predicts you've a 98% chance and you often loose.
Also combat isn't necessarily to the death now. Units can withdraw to
heal if they don't lose all their hit points.
Post by ><(((°>
OK combat animations.
Unexplored areas - graphics now show it as covered with cloud - better
looking than just black areas.
The whole graphical interface and game play feel made me think I was
playing a game designed for children of 8 years and up.
Overall, the graphics are disappointing. I've got everything on the
highest settings and it's nowhere near the standard of Blue Marble in
Civ 4 or Colonization. Some of the graphics don't seem properly finished
TBH. The rivers look like they were created with MS Paint. Maybe they
were rushed to meet the deadline? I hope this will improve with patches
and mods.

I wasn't very impressed with the animated leader screens either. Well,
I've only met Lizzie so far but it seems weird to see her in her
jewelled gown and sumptuous palace when my guys are running around in
loin cloths in 2000 BC or whatever. I wish they'd gone back to the Civ 3
style of leader heads that changed to reflect the different ages.
Post by ><(((°>
Everything seems vastly simplified - it certainly doesn't seem to require
much strategic thinking.
Not sure that I would agree with that. It's hard to tell from one demo
game when I've only met one opponent but I thought the diplomacy seemed
deeper. For instance, when I built my second city, Lizzie started
whining that it was too near her borders. I got the choice of saying
something like "I'm sorry it won't happen again", or "I'll build where I
damn well like". Obviously, my response is going to affect her attitude
towards me. I also got the chance to tell her to keep away from my
borders -- it was good to throw my weight around a bit since I was
spoiling for a fight, but I could have tried to smooth it all over if
I'd preferred that approach.

Another whole new angle is the independent city states. There were three
on the continent I shared with Lizzie. Even in 100 turns you could see a
complex little web of relationships developing between the states
themselves and the two full civs.

By the end of the demo, I'd built city number three on the coast and was
gearing up to build ships and start exploring the rest of the world.
Obviously war with Lizzie wasn't far away. I felt like the game was
really starting to take shape and I certainly would have continued if
the demo hadn't ended.
Post by ><(((°>
Anyway, I strongly suggest you try the demo before you buy.
Absolutely. It's a lot different to Civ 4. Personally I was hooked by
the gameplay and can't wait to get the full game.
Hari Seldon
2010-10-01 08:23:02 UTC
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Now available to download and play on Steam - 100 turns only though :(
To be honest, imho Civ II was da bomb. It went downwards from there. Civ III
was very, very big. Civ IV was too flashy graphical.

I;m back to the old colonization (not the civ IV col).
Paul Hyett
2010-10-01 16:14:53 UTC
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Post by ><(((°>
Now available to download and play on Steam - 100 turns only though :(
To be honest, imho Civ II was da bomb. It went downwards from there. Civ III
was very, very big. Civ IV was too flashy graphical.
I;m back to the old colonization (not the civ IV col).
I could never get into SM's Alpha Centuri, though.
--
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett
pyotr filipivich
2010-10-01 17:22:13 UTC
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Post by Paul Hyett
Post by Hari Seldon
Post by ><(((°>
Now available to download and play on Steam - 100 turns only though :(
To be honest, imho Civ II was da bomb. It went downwards from there. Civ III
was very, very big. Civ IV was too flashy graphical.
I;m back to the old colonization (not the civ IV col).
I could never get into SM's Alpha Centuri, though.
I had to uninstall it to get anything done ... too much fun.
--
pyotr filipivich
Just when you think you see the light at the end of the tunnel,
you find out it's a 900lb gorilla with a flashlight!!
Hari Seldon
2010-10-01 19:18:58 UTC
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Post by Paul Hyett
Post by Hari Seldon
Post by ><(((°>
Now available to download and play on Steam - 100 turns only though :(
To be honest, imho Civ II was da bomb. It went downwards from there. Civ III
was very, very big. Civ IV was too flashy graphical.
I;m back to the old colonization (not the civ IV col).
I could never get into SM's Alpha Centuri, though.
--
Paul 'Charts Fan' Hyett
True,

Strange thing is: SMAC had everything the ol' civ-players wanted. But
somehow it couldn;t get me... .didn;t have the Ooze and Feel of an actual
earth due to that Living Planet thingie...
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